Published On: Wed, Feb 13th, 2013

Internships, are they fair?

Are placements in industry a stepping stone to success or unacceptable exploitation? David Law asks the question, are internships fair?

As a mature student I have often considered the impact that any internship would have on my economic health, and with the rise of unpaid internships and summer placements I can’t help but feel this is a worrying trend, especially in the science and technology sector. While work experience is important, especially when it’s relevant, the rise of American style unpaid internships will lead to elitism in education that the universities inclusive admissions policies and outreach efforts are trying so hard to combat.

I can understand why it is tempting for companies, they get someone with a very low effective cost but if it is just the people who can afford to work free for anything up to three months are they really adding value? I think not. There are also many companies however, who are doing great work with paid placements. These should be massively encouraged. Not only will you get to select students on merit rather than ability to go unpaid for any length of time, meaning the value added by having a student working for the company will be greater, you will also avoid the culture of exclusivity that unpaid internships create.

That may have come across as a bit of a rant, I apologise. However I can see how important placements or internships can be and I would encourage people to go for anything relevant they get offered, grab it with both hands and run with it! Employers love to see that you can actually do the work they are wanting you to do and it can be great to see what the job is actually like. If the right placement comes along they are exciting and interesting and add value both to your degree and the company you are doing work for, but you shouldn’t rush to get a placement when this isn’t be the case. It is much more beneficial to go to a company for a summer as a second or third year than it is to go and lick stamps for three weeks as that is all you’re qualified to do.

So are internships fair? No, not with the way the current system works. Do they have to be unfair? No, there are plenty of paid placements where you can gain important and enjoyable experience in the field you want to go into. Does it even matter anyway? Yes, yes yes yes! It shouldn’t matter if you can afford to do an internship you should do your best to find experience in your field, employers love it and so should you!

About the Author

- I am a mature student, studying an MPhys in Astrophysics at the university of Liverpool. I work as a self employed sports photographer and love any sport that is at its heart a little bit mad. When not working I can be found rock climbing or playing in a samba drum band.

  • eevwee

    Couldn’t agree more, I wouldn’t be able to afford to spend a summer without paying my rent but desperately need industry experience!
    Most placements/internships are only for final year students aswell, which means you basically get one shot at seeing if you like something or not before graduation :/

  • http://highmaintenancelife.wordpress.com/ Andrew Tindall

    In research science, summer placements are generally quite good- universities are keen to get some “real” research done whilst the undergrads are away, they’re usually (modestly) paid and I’ve benefitted a lot from them. They really are a step into a research career, will dominate discussion at any subsequent interviews, and generally function as an internship “should”.

    On the flip side, I have several friends who are graduates who have an altogether different experience of internships, applying for jobs only to be offered the same position as a (low or unpaid) internship because they were under-qualified. Nobody was subsequently hired for the full-time position advertised. In this case the internship is no better than “workfare”, exploiting an underemployed demographic in order to get away with paying workers less than minimum wage.

    • David Law

      I am hoping that was kind of the view I brought across, I wholeheartedly agree with you on the usefulness of placements! I just don’t believe that unpaid internships should be used as an excuse to gain free labour.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hearts_tor Tor Ince

    I feel like unpaid internships shouldn’t be a thing, given we have a minimum wage law, but there are so many industries where you can’t afford to pass one up because you need that foot in the door. The thing is that you have to be able to support yourself, which I know I won’t after graduation, and they don’t make it easy to apply.

    I have an unpaid weekend internship at Pacific Quay, and although I’m really happy there and they provide well (they cover my travel and living costs while I’m there) the online application process didn’t get me anywhere – I only got it once I went in person and asked for an interview, and that could have gone either way.

    I’m also acutely aware that I’m unlikely to get a paid position there, and if I complain there’s always a line of more qualified people waiting to take my place. They say that last year only two new people went onto the payroll. With anywhere less prestigious I like to think I’d walk away, but where else am I going to get experience this good?

  • Alex Parmar-Yee

    So I’m a LSMedia alumni and I’m currently on the controversial “Get Britain Working” scheme set up by the DWP and Job Centre (Officially the scheme is classed as work experience), which’s main criticisms is its abusing the term work experience to get over qualified people to work in places which don’t really require work experience (e.g. Poundland). The scheme basically requires a job seeker to put 25-30 hours a week for 1-2 months. If after your first week you decide it’s not for you you can choose to leave. If after the first week you drop out without mutual agreement you can get sanctions imposed on your JSA. However, a plus is that through the job centre they do cover all travel expenses (petrol/bus pass/train tickets).

    So I have mixed opinions of unpaid internships. The first place I was placed at was a Community Radio station, Radio Dacorum, on the account of my CV mentioning LSRadio a lot. In this role I basically became Assistant Station Manager as the station doesn’t have anyone of radio experience. I think a positive about this placement was it was a charity, so everyone there was a volunteer. Through it I got to spend the later part of this year doing radio. Through it I got a CBT check, a minibus qualification and they put me onto a waiting list for a PTTLS course to teach people basic music tech.

    The negatives: 25 Hours is far too long to work at an internet radio station per week. It definitely meant I was spending less time job hunting.

    More recently, I was asked if I’d like to do another role as a Social Media Advisor to a recruitment firm, with supposed job prospects. However, when I went for the interview they said they would be unsure if there would be less chance of a job compared to the last few people who had gone there and subsequently got employed by them. In the desire to gain some experience for the portfolio and a hopefully glowing reference, I took the role. It was disheartening at times knowing that I was working 9-5 four days a week sans pay. However, I’ve gradually been learning about recruitment and the guys there have been teaching me all sorts of things about that industry. On top of that today, they had a chat with me saying they think I’m an excellent employee and would I consider taking a hybrid social media-recruiter role. Which has made taking what could have been work for nothing worthwhile. Even if I don’t take them up on the offer I’m guaranteed a glowing reference (assuming I don’t screw up over the next couple of weeks).

    So in summary (TL;DR), I think unpaid internships can be good if not abused. The companies that offer them should provide an actual role where a job seeker/student can gain some experience and insight. I think they should be clear if an unpaid internship definitely won’t lead to a full time position. I think they should definitely not be forced. And in the case for the DWP scheme, the minimum hours reduced.

    I think the trouble is it’s very tempting to take a role as will look great on the CV even if it is just licking stamps for a month.

  • http://YourWebsite... Tom Pritchard

    I read a piece earlier today about unpaid internships but the thing that I found most interesting was their differentiation between internship and work experience. Work experience involving observing and shadowing professionals to soak up practical experience without doing much work
    Internships are being made to do real work with set hours, essentially working full time without pay. Frankly I consider this slavery.
    I think the two can overlap slightly, obviously the best way to gain practical skills is to use them, but asking people to work for no pay for anything over two weeks is unethical, anything over four weeks is downright evil